The Boys Are Back

[xwacky]

The winter hiatus is over! Supernatural is coming back tonight on CW.  The collective sigh echoed throughout fandom is heard even in Twitterland:  #TheBoysAreBack was reportedly among the top 10 trending topic this morning until it was blocked.  The "funny" thing is I'm so used to long drawn out hiatus from watching Battlestar Galactica, two months of waiting felt like nothing to me these days.

Still, I'm excited.  And I've been thinking about the show and season 5 lately, especially after seeing the Favorite Scene picspam by  layne67 last night.  In particular, I was pondering over my favorite episode "The End" and the mid season cliffhanger "Abandon All Hopes" (note both episodes are written by Ben Edlund) when a small light bulb went off in my head:

WARNING: 5.04 & 5.10 spoilers alert --  A burning question from 5.04 for me is whether or not the future that Dean saw is real and inevitable?  The parting shot Lucifer!Sam left for Dean was particularly troublesome (He said: Whatever you do, you will always end up... here. No matter what choices you make, whatever details you alter, *we* will always end up... here.).  The "here" Lucifer!Sam was talking about of course was Dean's death resulted from his failed attempt in killing Lucifer with the Colt.

Now fast forward to 5.10.  An important truefax we (as well as the protagonists) learned in this episode is that the Colt cannot harm Lucifer.  With that in mind, that particular slice of "future" in 5.04 where the protagonists plotted to kill Lucifer!Sam with the Colt is no longer valid. Why would these Resistance Fighters plan an assault with a weapon they knew to be useless, right?  So is it true we have it implied in canon that Lucifer!Sam's claim on the future is false?!



ETA:  Is this the Valentine's episode? \o/

Comments

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Aargh! Now I'm confused!!

I'm not much good with time-travel stories. I hate it in Star Trek ( because I found it hard to understand )!

Anyway, could it be said that the happenings in episodes 5 to 10 never happened to future!Dean because present!Dean got back to Sam, but future!Dean never did?

[xwacky.livejournal.com]

Oops, sorry bb!

It is a head spinner, isn't it? (See my previous comment to Shinta)

By just getting together with Sam is not enough to prove Dean changed the future he saw in 5.04. After all, that can be construed as the "detail" Lucifer!Sam was talking about.

However, I think by learning the extent of Lucifer's strength at first hand in 5.10 does change what could or could not happen in the future Dean saw in 5.04. Logically, that planned attack on Lucifer with the Colt would no longer happen imo. Now that doesn't necessarily mean Sam won't say yes to Lucifer, or Lucifer won't kill Dean. But at the very least, Dean wouldn't die at Lucifer!Sam's feet with the smoking gun (Colt) lying next to him, I think.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

Do you watch Flash Forward? The story revolves around people who see their future 6 months from now, and subsequent events led them to believe that they cannot change the future, whatever they do. One man, he saw in his vision that he killed a woman leaving her small children orphans. He was so depressed by it ( he's a good man ) that he jumped from a building, killing himself. His last words to his friends who tried to save him, "We can change the future." Or something like that.

And of course I remember what Lucifer!Sam said. Oh I know what happened in another show had nothing to do with SPN, but for some odd reasons, it gave me hope ...

[xwacky.livejournal.com]

Heh, I don't watch many TV shows these days. One fandom is already too much for me to handle. The only other show I casually & regularly watch these days is "The Mentalist". *sigh*

But I'll be checking out "White Collar" soon. Do you know a fellow SPN fan lomer is going to be on it next Tuesday? She's in this one scene in the upcoming episode. She's also booked for "Law & Order" I believe, so I'd check out that episode as well.

Back to "are future set in stone" discussion. Personally I believe we make our own destiny (a la Dean here). However I also see Supernatural has a tendency to show things happen no matter what the protagonists do. Case in point: "Mystery Spot" and "Monster at the End of This Book". That's why even though I would like to think the future Dean saw in 5.04 won't happen, Lucifer's parting words doth worry me...that is, until the end of 5.10, after I realized what the protagonists learned from that experience.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I don't know lomer but I've seen her around. Wow, that's awesome! She's an actress then?