xwacky: Dean from Supernatural (spn brothers)
xwacky ([personal profile] xwacky) wrote2010-01-21 02:05 pm

The Boys Are Back

The winter hiatus is over! Supernatural is coming back tonight on CW.  The collective sigh echoed throughout fandom is heard even in Twitterland:  #TheBoysAreBack was reportedly among the top 10 trending topic this morning until it was blocked.  The "funny" thing is I'm so used to long drawn out hiatus from watching Battlestar Galactica, two months of waiting felt like nothing to me these days.

Still, I'm excited.  And I've been thinking about the show and season 5 lately, especially after seeing the Favorite Scene picspam by  [livejournal.com profile] layne67 last night.  In particular, I was pondering over my favorite episode "The End" and the mid season cliffhanger "Abandon All Hopes" (note both episodes are written by Ben Edlund) when a small light bulb went off in my head:

WARNING: 5.04 & 5.10 spoilers alert --  A burning question from 5.04 for me is whether or not the future that Dean saw is real and inevitable?  The parting shot Lucifer!Sam left for Dean was particularly troublesome (He said: Whatever you do, you will always end up... here. No matter what choices you make, whatever details you alter, *we* will always end up... here.).  The "here" Lucifer!Sam was talking about of course was Dean's death resulted from his failed attempt in killing Lucifer with the Colt.

Now fast forward to 5.10.  An important truefax we (as well as the protagonists) learned in this episode is that the Colt cannot harm Lucifer.  With that in mind, that particular slice of "future" in 5.04 where the protagonists plotted to kill Lucifer!Sam with the Colt is no longer valid. Why would these Resistance Fighters plan an assault with a weapon they knew to be useless, right?  So is it true we have it implied in canon that Lucifer!Sam's claim on the future is false?!



ETA:  Is this the Valentine's episode? \o/

[identity profile] xwacky.livejournal.com 2010-01-22 09:36 am (UTC)(link)
Hehe, head fuck!

I thought paradox in time travel is when what in the future changes the past, kinda like anti-time (like it described in Star Trek: TNG).

In this case however, I think the future (Dean's failing in terminate Lucifer with the Colt) didn't change the past in that up until he shot Lucifer with the Colt, Dean didn't know Lucifer is immune to the famed gun. Thus in 5.10 he still went after the devil with the weapon, even at the cost of Jo and Ellen's lives. But after the events of 5.10 which chronologically came before the future!Events of 5.04, I cannot imagine Dean would mount another attack on Lucifer with the useless weapon. Thus the "future" Dean witnessed in 5.04 cannot happen anymore by my logic.

Am I making your head spinning yet? 'Coz mine is.

[identity profile] i-o-r-h-a-e-l.livejournal.com 2010-01-22 09:53 am (UTC)(link)
I've always thought that the 'future' is only Zach's screwing with Dean's head. So things that happen might not what really happens in the future. It's all lying. Yeah, back to my argument, Dean is going after the Colt in 5.10 because of what he experiences in 5.04.

Okay. No more. Please. :D

[identity profile] xwacky.livejournal.com 2010-01-22 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
*giggle* Okay, no more! *hugs*