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BSG 4.05: "The Road Less Traveled"
No Lee...
No Lee...
Still no Lee...
And no Roslin either... ::pout::
I didn't even catch a glimpse of Adama~~ ::sigh::
Did notice one mistake I made 2 weeks ago -- apparently Hotdog went with Kara too! So who's the CAG on Galactica these days?!
So bored I went back to work on my LJ layout. Ron, why are you doing this to me?! ::groan::
Better luck next week?!
No Lee...
Still no Lee...
And no Roslin either... ::pout::
I didn't even catch a glimpse of Adama~~ ::sigh::
Did notice one mistake I made 2 weeks ago -- apparently Hotdog went with Kara too! So who's the CAG on Galactica these days?!
So bored I went back to work on my LJ layout. Ron, why are you doing this to me?! ::groan::
Better luck next week?!
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They do use her too much, which is part of the problem, I guess. It started out as an ensemble show, but now it's the Kara show.
I wonder if we'd have a problem with it if it had been the Lee show, though.
But yes, to me, she's still same old frakked up Kara struggling with prophecies and destiny.
If the Centurions did, they were in for a rotten deal: instead of being "enslaved" by the humans (don't ask me how do one enslave a machine), they are now enslaved by their own creations!
Unless they're actually working with (and not for) the humanoid Cylons, and we can't see it.
As for enslaving machines... Well, if the machines were self-aware, that would be something else (Star Trek spent a lot (and I mean a *lot* of time pondering that question, with Data and with the Doctor). But we've seen no indication that the first Cylons had a personality.
Maybe "mad" human scientist(s) created them despite the fact human were at war with the robots...
Hee. We share a brain.
For a long while, I thought the humans were going to go to the Cylons homeworld and find out that there were humans there, directing the Cylons' actions.
It doesn't look like the show is going to go that way, but until proven otherwise, it'll remain my working theory.
You know, I wonder if the show is going to provide answers to these questions. I wish they would, instead of having the Cylons talk about religion...
It worries me when the writers decide to take away the antagonists in a story, or turn them into protagonists -- I would've felt very cheated!
Me too. That's why I've been so disappointed in S3... What drew me to the show (and yes, it's the 1000th time I'm saying it) was the struggle of the humans to survive the annihilation of their entire way of life. I wish the show had spent more time on that (they lost their artists, their teachers, their writers, their culture, their scientists, countless books forever lost... And that's not even touching the topic of the families of the survivors...) instead of telling us more about the Cylons.
Ah, well, who knows, maybe I'll be blown away by S4?
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Kara had been, up till the moment she "died", an over-grown child to me. She was mostly self-centered (as a child would). I was hoping she would grow up a bit and start thinking how her action/choice would affect other people. But she never did, even after she came back from "death". She's still the same impulsive girl with a one-track mind on doing what she wants to do, consequences be damned. Sure she believed Adama would wait for her well past the agreed rendezvous time--why wouldn't he? She is the center of all things, doesn't everything else revolve around her?
The sad thing is I'm afraid the writers are feeding into it, and making her the center of everything. That's why I don't see character development with her. Because there's no need, she's the intrinsic hero.
The writers "dragged" her character all over the places (including the "netherworld"), having her do all kinds of crazy things, and when asked "why", they explained with one word -- "Destiny"!
Yet, so many choices Kara made are still confounded to me: why did she go for a one night stand with Baltar? Was she too drunk to notice who she went with, or did she choose him on purpose, or maybe she simply acted without thinking, an impulse? I wish we were given an explicit look into her reasonings.
Also, why did Kara run off to propose and marry Sam hours after she and Lee declared love for each other? Because Sam was safe and easy? That didn't make much sense to me: how hard could it be to stay with a man who openly declared his love? Much harder than being shackled with a man she hardly knew?!
So she kicked Lee to the curb, but a little over a year later, she changed her mind yet again and wanted to have an affair with him. Is Lee only good enough to be her *illicit* lover, but not her legitimate one-and-only?! What drove her decisions?
I tend to think she did everything by impulse. Whatever felt good/right to her at the moment, she plunges headlong into it.
The thing with Lee is he's quite introspective. I've always understood where he came from, what made him do what he did. Even when I don't agree with him, I feel for him (the same goes to Roslin and Adama). But most of all, Lee is endearing to me because I see this character learn and grow from his mistakes. As such, he has become my hook into the show. Lee has taken me on this emotional journey, through the near annihilation of an entire race, struggling for everyday survival, and in the process, discover who he really is, and what he is made of... So yeah, I wouldn't have any problem if it had been the Lee show! ;)
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I thought it was said (beginning of season 3?) that the Centurions were programed to protect and not harm the humanoid cylons. So I'd say they were programmed to work *for* the "skin-heads". That is, until Six gave them the "reasoning chip", which I presume altered those toasters' program. Come to think of it, it's quite amusing to me that these computerized robots didn't have reasoning/logic before!
Self-aware as in having the concept of "me"? Like "Why should I be doing such & such?" So when the humans told the robots to cleanup the mess and not paying them above the minimum wage, they were none too happy about it and decided to rebel. No wonder it took those Centurions (with the reasoning chip) 22 days to clean the blood off the basestar walls! :b
Seriously, like you said, how did the humans mistreat the Centurions in the first place?
Hee, that's quite a compliment! ;)
Do the Cylons have a homeworld? I wondered about that. I thought the reason the first and second cylon wars broke out, like any wars, was to fight for land and resources. The religion stuff was only used to incite those to fight the war. I thought the cylons wanted to take over the twelve planets so that they *can* have a homeworld...
Between you and me, the same thing probably has been said 2000 times... ;)
I too am interested in looking into how this pared down society could survive and maintain their old way of life. Is the old way of life even viable under such extreme duress? Is democracy a luxury that can only exist/achieve in peace time?
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Which can be a good thing, every once in a while, but it's true that she tends to disregard how much she can hurt other people.
Because there's no need, she's the intrinsic hero.
Which is another problem I have with the character. It constantly feel like the writers are winking at us, telling us, "See, we get it. Heroes can be flawed. So, we'll give you Kara, who is frakked up, emotionally unstable, but doesn't she kick ass."
It's heavy handed... I prefer Lee, because he can be pissy and self-righteous and make something incredibly brave at the same time.
That didn't make much sense to me: how hard could it be to stay with a man who openly declared his love?
My theory is that she loves Lee, and she got scared of screwing up and breaking whatever they had (or scared that he would end up believing she wasn't good enough for him), so she decided not to give their couple a chance, and broke things off before it could start.
Did she have to marry Sam to drive her point home? No, but I can see her fearing that Lee wouldn't let her go without a fight, so she went with the only thing she could think of that would make him hate her.
Not that what she did was forgiveable, but I can kind of understand it...
Is Lee only good enough to be her *illicit* lover, but not her legitimate one-and-only?! What drove her decisions?
Well, all she said was that marriage was sacred (since she believes in the gods, taking a vow before them counts a lot). But then, why feel free to cheat on her husband?
Self-aware as in having the concept of "me"? Like "Why should I be doing such & such?"
Yes. Once you become aware that there's you and others, and there are things you shouldn't do if you don't want to hurt others, and you're aware that death would mean you wouldn't exist anymore, the lines would tend to blur. But again, we've seen no indication that the Centurions were anything but machines, with very little thought-processes.
Do the Cylons have a homeworld?
I think it was said in the mini that after the first war, they retreated to a planet outside Colonial space, and were never seen since then.
And in Hero, Bill said that he lead a mission to the border of Cylon space.
What I do wonder is if they colonized other planets on "their" side of space, though, or if they just remained on one planet until they were ready to attack the Colonies.
I wondered about that. I thought the reason the first and second cylon wars broke out, like any wars, was to fight for land and resources. The religion stuff was only used to incite those to fight the war. I thought the cylons wanted to take over the twelve planets so that they *can* have a homeworld...
Either the show was vague on the subject, or I haven't been paying attention (which is probable, since I tend not to listen too closely to the Cylons).
But I got the feeling that the first war happened because the Cylons wanted to be 'free' and escape the Colonies. The religion happened between the first and second wars, and the second war happened because the Cylons had decided that the humans didn't deserve to live (but then, why have farms and try to understand how humans reproduce?)
But I might be wrong.
:)
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Definitely true, as the case with Lee. The way he flew down that conveyor tunnel had a bit of impulsiveness involved. However, when someone is relentlessly impulsive, that could be a problem, and it gets old after awhile.
I see Lee as a well-rounded protagonist. Like the best of us, he has faults and makes mistakes. But even at his worst, I was able to get into his head, "see" and understand his thinking process. As such, I get to see him get past his funk, (at least attempting to) overcome his mistakes. His character matured and grew up right in front of my eyes.
With Kara however, I wasn't able to look into her head and understand her. I feel the writers are too busy at having her do the next "unexpected" thing that they don't bother to explain the "whys". A fellow bsg fan described her to me as being consistently inconsistent, which I think fits her to a tee. Nothing she did in the show, however unconventional or unethical, were ever wrong in the end. Even when she "killed" herself, she came back an Angel. So there wasn't a need for her character to change, to mature; and she never did (so far).
But it had already started. When two people profess love for each other, in that intimate manner, whether or not alcohol was involved, things had already started, big time.
The point is, I never got her doubts and fears from watching that episode (and the ones that followed). As far as I'm concerned, your theory (a very plausible one) is a fanon instead of canon to excuse what she did.
You see, based on what I saw, I feel she loves Lee. However, she also loves Anders. She doesn't know which men she loves more, but she sensed Anders is easier to..."control" (for lack of a better word), and more prone to turn a blind eye to what she does. So when Lee suggested her to break things off with Anders in the morning, she panicked and ran off to *marry* him instead...
Actually, I think she gets off on the illicitness of the affair with this beautiful man. Kara had always frowned at convention and ethics, so the illicitness shouldn't bother her. That way, she also didn't have to commit to Lee. It's a win-win situation for her if only Lee had cooperated...
Hmmm, that remains to be seen I guess. From the way the Centurions were introduced in this series, that certainly is true. With the missing "reasoning-chip", I don't see how they can be self-aware. Unless it turns out these Centurions were "dumbed down" after the first Cylon War.
I could be wrong, but I've always thought they retreated to the SPACE outside the colonial space, not a planet. I've pictured these cylons "lived" in space somewhere with no place to really call home. Hence they came back -- "humanity's children came home" to reclaim the planets.
Very plausible! :)
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And that's part of my problem with the show as a whole. Everyone is always so quick to blame Lee for his mistakes (both the other characters and the other fans, sometimes), yet Kara gets forgiven no matter what (as does Helo).
Consistently inconsistent fits the bill, all right. :)
When two people profess love for each other, in that intimate manner, whether or not alcohol was involved, things had already started, big time.
Things had started and I'm sure she must have seen it coming for a while. But, they hadn't gone public yet, hadn't even admitted to themselves. And there, yes, they did acknowledge their feelings, but they didn't go public with it, and I think it makes a difference. Announcing the world that you're in love with someone else takes it to a level of commitment she wasn't ready for; it would have made things more real than they were.
That's how I fanwank it, anyhow.
She doesn't know which men she loves more, but she sensed Anders is easier to..."control" (for lack of a better word), and more prone to turn a blind eye to what she does.
Not sure about the control part, but it's true that he's... paler, than Lee, somehow. He's not quite as obstinate, not as strong willed and strong minded, not quite a match for her. I think she also was scared of how strong her feelings for Lee were; it left her vulnerable, and she doesn't like that, so she tried to take control back by leaving first.
I could be wrong, but I've always thought they retreated to the SPACE outside the colonial space, not a planet.
I'm really not sure. I always pictured a planet in my mind, but I can't be sure whether it came from the show, or not...
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There you go, I think you are right about that. And there lies my theory that Kara never loved Lee as much as he did her. Sure he's her friend, best in fact. But as far as the love of her life goes, there's always been someone else besides Lee as well...
I know "control" is a bad word, I just couldn't think of a better word at the time. I don't think Kara wanted to "boss" Anders around. She just does whatever she wants and sensed Anders would not object to her. Well, I don't care what others say about Anders, he's a milktoast!