In all seriousness, I really dislike Leoban. No, make it "loathe" instead! Right with you there. No one tries to make Six the good guy, so I don't get the fascination with Leoben. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but every time I see a fic labeled as Kara/Leoben, I run away screaming. He's just an annoying character (as people who talk only in riddles and half-truths tend to be), and he's sick and twisted. And oh, yeah, he's a bad guy, and not in an endearing kind of way.
I get the feeling RDM or TPTB is saying the humans brought the destruction onto themselves. Me too. And we're getting into one of my main issues with the show, right here. I don't understand where the Cylons come from. I get that the humans created robots to help them, used them as servants until said robots rebelled and the first war took place. Which begs the question, why did the Cylons rebel? Did the humans create the Centurions models and gave them feelings, or what? If they were just robots who were supposed to do manual labor, and programmed to do only that, why would they have rebelled in the first place??
And, even more importantly, why, oh why, did the Cylons create humanoid models? Were the Centurions self-conscious enough to want to re-create humans, were they intelligent enough to come up with the strategy of sending humanoid Cylons into the Colonies and have them be dormant agents? And if the Centurions created the human models, where the frak does their monotheist religion come from??
So, yes, the humans did have a part of responsibility in what happened to them, because they created the machines that would ultimately destroy them, but was it ever said on the show that they treated the Cylons badly while they were using them as servant? Badly enough to 'justify' genocide, the farms, the experimentation on human subjects?
Don't get me wrong; humans aren't perfect by any means, and have a lot to learn and a lot of progress to make, but it still doesn't make it okay to destroy twelve planets and try to exterminate them to the last one.
And frankly, the more I learn about the Cylons, the less sympathetic I found them.
I'm all for shades of grey, too, but the point was made on Star Trek that, "you can call the sun cold, it won't change its temperature." Some things are just unforgivable, and I'm with Lee on the Cylon hatred. What I don't get is how Helo can forgive them; sure, he married one of them, but even he should be able to see that Athena is an exception, and has stopped speaking for her own race a long time ago.
While I appreciate the "non crispy black and white" world BSG portrays, I take issue with the "there's no evil in the world, everything is a perspective" point of view. See above.
It's true that everyone has their reasons to act like they do (that's what makes things so complicated), but that doesn't mean that the actions themselves should be forgiven or forgotten.
Don't stop, please! Hee, well, I didn't, obviously. :)
I wonder if the show will ever adress any of that... And I wonder how things will end between the humans and the Cylons (at this point, I guess the "best" we can hope for is the Cylons going back to their homeworld or the Colonies and vowing to leave the humans alone (until the next time), echoing the "it happened before, it will happen again," motto).
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Right with you there.
No one tries to make Six the good guy, so I don't get the fascination with Leoben. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but every time I see a fic labeled as Kara/Leoben, I run away screaming.
He's just an annoying character (as people who talk only in riddles and half-truths tend to be), and he's sick and twisted. And oh, yeah, he's a bad guy, and not in an endearing kind of way.
I get the feeling RDM or TPTB is saying the humans brought the destruction onto themselves.
Me too.
And we're getting into one of my main issues with the show, right here.
I don't understand where the Cylons come from.
I get that the humans created robots to help them, used them as servants until said robots rebelled and the first war took place.
Which begs the question, why did the Cylons rebel? Did the humans create the Centurions models and gave them feelings, or what?
If they were just robots who were supposed to do manual labor, and programmed to do only that, why would they have rebelled in the first place??
And, even more importantly, why, oh why, did the Cylons create humanoid models? Were the Centurions self-conscious enough to want to re-create humans, were they intelligent enough to come up with the strategy of sending humanoid Cylons into the Colonies and have them be dormant agents? And if the Centurions created the human models, where the frak does their monotheist religion come from??
So, yes, the humans did have a part of responsibility in what happened to them, because they created the machines that would ultimately destroy them, but was it ever said on the show that they treated the Cylons badly while they were using them as servant? Badly enough to 'justify' genocide, the farms, the experimentation on human subjects?
Don't get me wrong; humans aren't perfect by any means, and have a lot to learn and a lot of progress to make, but it still doesn't make it okay to destroy twelve planets and try to exterminate them to the last one.
And frankly, the more I learn about the Cylons, the less sympathetic I found them.
I'm all for shades of grey, too, but the point was made on Star Trek that, "you can call the sun cold, it won't change its temperature." Some things are just unforgivable, and I'm with Lee on the Cylon hatred. What I don't get is how Helo can forgive them; sure, he married one of them, but even he should be able to see that Athena is an exception, and has stopped speaking for her own race a long time ago.
While I appreciate the "non crispy black and white" world BSG portrays, I take issue with the "there's no evil in the world, everything is a perspective" point of view.
See above.
It's true that everyone has their reasons to act like they do (that's what makes things so complicated), but that doesn't mean that the actions themselves should be forgiven or forgotten.
Don't stop, please!
Hee, well, I didn't, obviously. :)
I wonder if the show will ever adress any of that...
And I wonder how things will end between the humans and the Cylons (at this point, I guess the "best" we can hope for is the Cylons going back to their homeworld or the Colonies and vowing to leave the humans alone (until the next time), echoing the "it happened before, it will happen again," motto).